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'Sky is Falling' Routine is Getting Old

America has plenty of problems worthy of serious debate, but we should resist the urge to demonize large swaths of people.

 

One summer night in the late 1970s I sat in a small living room in western Pennsylvania reading a social history of America in the 1960s.

With me were my mother, my paternal grandmother – a staunch Lutheran  -- and her daughter, the church secretary. Sitting aside me was my maternal grandmother – a devout and very feisty, pre-Vatican II Catholic.

She asked me if the book I was reading was “for America or against her?” When I tried to say that it was more complex than that, she went off on a tirade about how this country was going to hell because of the lack of morality. She finished by proclaiming, “There are only a few good women left in America today” – pause for effect --  “and they’re all in this room.”

I’m not sure I’d make Grandma’s cut today, but I think of that evening when I hear the current laments of some Patch commentators and national figures like Glenn Beck. 

To hear them talk about how we’re becoming a nation of slackers and degenerates, you have to wonder who these critics are coming into contact with every day. Are their own kids and grandkids like that? Their friends and neighbors? Their co-workers?  All of them?

My guess is that Beck and fellow naysayers would respond, “Oh no, it’s not my kids or grandkids who are the problem. It’s not my friends or neighbors who are lazy. It’s all those people on welfare.”

One of the great things about journalism is you get to meet people from all walks of life. In 26 years in the business, I’ve interviewed  rich people and poor people and those from different religions, political persuasions and sexual orientations, artists and corporate executives, small business owners and educators, factory workers, students, police and politicians. 

While I’ve met more than a few lowlifes and idiots, most people strike me as essentially trying to do well and do good – and that’s true of the food stamp recipients as well as the CEOs and legislators on both sides of the aisle. I might not agree with all the choices they’ve made or their view of the world, but I’ve run across very few who were downright evil or worthless.

Mostly, they’re striving. Yet somehow it’s become de rigueur not to show an ounce of empathy for those who struggle to stay afloat.

On Feb. 3, The New York Times profiled a homeless woman living at a shelter who gets her two children up by 4:45 a.m. to take  them to day care and school and get herself to her job as a nurse’s aide. Her commute takes four hours, including six trips on the subway and three on the bus. There’s nothing lazy going on there.

Spend some time in Lehigh Valley schools and you’ll find teens running fundraisers for animal shelters, tutoring classmates and excelling in Scholastic Scrimmage, Math Counts, SkillsUSA, the Pennsylvania Junior Academy of Sciences competitions and others. For every teen sexting scandal, schools can show you scores of kids working on positive projects and academic teams that would put my high school class to shame.

So you’ll have to excuse me if I don’t join “The Sky is Falling” chorus. We have plenty of problems in this country that are worthy of serious debate.  But I don’t understand the instinct to dismiss large swaths of my fellow Americans as worthless. I’ve heard it before. 

Related Topics: Glenn Beck and SkillsUSA

Mark Albright

6:49 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I can only say, "thank you." My Grandma used to say "we ought to be able to disagree without being disagreeable." This piece of yours was a great way to start my day.

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Bud Miller

8:35 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Best to avoid the Becks, Limbaughs, Maddows, Olbermanns, O'Reillys and every other moronic talking head on tv and radio who preach to the converted and are only interested in "winning" for their team. They are a sad, childish commentary on today's political climate.

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Staberdearth

8:44 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Hey Bud. Curious, then who do you use to formulate an opinion or observation? You cite those who incite. What about the moderate moderators of the game?

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Bud Miller

8:48 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

You're not seriously saying that the people I mentioned are actual journalists interested in the truth are you? Anyone using those people to formulate opinions doesn't need to because their minds are already made up.

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Eric Harding

9:50 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I am with you Bud. The media is interested in one thing... Ratings. They want to have your attention so they can sell ad spots. These people only add to the fire instead of putting it out. And to answer Staberdearth's comment on your comment.. I use myself to formulate an opinion. Yes, that is right. I actually READ the bills that are presented in our houses and senates. Oh, I know they can be lengthy and a bit dull with all the "leagalese" but I am no fool and will not take one man's opinion for my own.

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Bud Miller

12:11 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Well said Eric. Commentary by cheerleaders and pundits don't help me formulate an opinion. I admire your reading actual bills, that's rare.

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Missy Moyer-Schneck

8:30 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

My opinion has and will be formed based on how I live and am made to live my daily life. My taxes are increasing, I can't afford to put gas in both my cars all the time, I have limited and schedule my trips during the week so as not to waste the ever costly fuel in my car, our grocery budget has been hit hard by the increasing cost of food. I can't wait to start my garden so I can grow more of my own food, and will definitely be canning from my garden more than ever this year. If your not feeling your budget tightening, you have no worries apparently, I just think your in the minority if your not worried.

Oli Landwijt

8:40 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Thanks for some common sense. Unlike Mr. Bach, I don't read your descriptions of your family members as denigration. My view is that you are pointing out that people of different faiths can and do have similar values. And that we can all get along. I also agree that how much money in your pocket does not equal the good in your soul.

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Staberdearth

8:50 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

True, however, when there are clear differences, and there are, your statement is meaningless. Let's use the most inflammatory example for stark contrast. Those who say their religion allows murder of the innocent unborn and those that say their religion does not. Those views are not "similar".

I use the term "religion" loosely. I rather prefer the word "faith". "Religion" has too much if an air of man made element to it. Faith is a more appropriate terminology for this discussion. Religion implies directive of the mind. Faith implies directive of the heart.

Staberdearth

8:42 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

It's easy to write an article such as yours. I don't necessarily disagree but you've merely used the same broad brush argument but chosen a different side. What is it? Slow news day?

Look at where we are today. In your community, in your town, in your state, in your country, in the world. See anything you don't like? Why don't you like it? Why do you?

You rail with a broad brush as those who paint with the other side of it... Zzzzzz.

Keep telling yourself, "nothing has changed, and for no reason."

Seriously?

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Macungie resident

8:49 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I believe you’re are making a big stretch here: " To hear them (Beck & others) talk about how we’re becoming a nation of slackers and degenerates.” I can tell you don’t actually watch Beck, because this is not his message. He largely blames the government for the large number of people on food stamps because they are largely responsible for creating the environment which makes them necessary. He constantly praises volunteers and churches, and others for their charity and urges others to do the same. He warns people of the danger of depending on the government but does not put them down for needing assistance. He also has never said that the sky is falling because large numbers of people are on welfare. Know your facts. Don’t just mimic what you here from sources such as Media Matters when it comes to Beck.

How about you preach this message to OBAMA. He "demonizes large swaths of people" in every speech including: Wall Street, Corporations, Conservatives, Republicans, Tea Party members, etc.

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I Am Knowledge

2:16 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

She agrees with everything Obama says. Dyed in the wool liberal. Don't look for any cogent thinking from these folks.

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Jim Chenault

2:51 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Your comments are a shining example of your beliefs.

Arthur Joel Katz

8:51 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Dear Ms Peterson,

I thought your piece today was extraordinarily well done. Don't let the carps bite you.

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I Am Knowledge

2:14 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

What's well done about it? Doesn't even mention the MASSIVE deficit spending the current administration is doing. And it's based on two strong woman who lost their husbands and MADE IT ANYHOW, long before we had a million government handouts designed by Democrats and now destroying us fiscally?

Arthur... what is the debt payment on our current 15 Trillion debt per year? What percent of U.S. revenue is that. Should we be concerned about that?

smiller

9:04 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Great piece for all of us (even all those naysayers!!)

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Lower Mac Resident

9:15 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Thank God I have a sense of responsibility and the right (at the moment) to watch and listen to all the news people you obviously dislike. I have seen what our current president has done to our country, I have personally gathered clothing, food and other items to help those in need, homeless, those who lost everything to fires or natural disasters, it's in my blood to want to help people. You may not personally see the greed that goes on in our society today but it does happen, and those are the people that the news people you dislike talk about. Working in center city Allentown I get daily knocks on my office door for money or I'm out of gas....I've been here 23 years, I know they need money for drugs and they don't need gas money because when I say no, they walk to their car and drive away. I help those who need the help, not those who are abusing what the system was put in place for. Times are tough financially for more people than you obviously are aware of, hidden taxes and fees are being placed on homeowners it seems monthly. Business owners are being burdened with more taxes, more restrictions and are being told how they have to spend their money instead of being able to grow their business and employ more. The government needs to step aside and let our country work the way it always has, too much government involvement is destroying our USA...THAT is what those "news people" are talking about.

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Eric Harding

9:53 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Thank you! I was coming here to say this myself, however I will just praise you! There are those that abuse the system. And just because of 1 journalist who hasn't seen it with their own eyes merely tells me that they may have been sheltered. Again, thank you.

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Mark

10:52 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

When you begin your rant with "i have seen what our crrent president has done to this country" you've already lost credibility. You are obviously anti Obama and anti government. You refelct many of the "tea party" attributes that contribute to the lack of civil discourse in our nation. In the tea party meme, they all worked hard, earned thier way, and are god fearing, flag loving patriots. Anyone who disagrees with the TP, is a socialist, big government, tax and spend, anti religious, pro gay rights, liberal bent on ruining the country. In fact, you could not be more wrong. Fact is that the nation is recovering from a decade of war, a decade of greed, and several decades of the citizens giving up any influence they had to corporations and uber rich individuals who have bought politicians and now set the terms of political debate. In my view, the author is correct. America has been and always will be the strongest nation on earth. Our greatness does not come from the GOP or the Democratic party or it;s politicians. Our greatness is our citizens, all of them. The poor, the middle class, and the wealthy. Individuals, who like you, contribute to thier local communities, thier schools, churches, and workplaces. The sky is actually bright and sunny on America.

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Lower Mac Resident

11:19 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Oh Mark, another one living under a rock....Yes , I am anti Obama and for one reason and that is I am anti socialist. I believe you must work for what you want in life and not expect a handout from the government. Sure, the govt. has programs to help those in need, but those standing in line for handouts are corrupt and abusing the system that they are now draining, and Mr. Obama has no problem with that. He is not fixing the system he is giving more handouts, those additional handouts cost me and my family. Show me a clip of the Tea Party that show civil discourse and I will show you 20 more that show civil discourse on the opposite side. that is a complete lame excuse to say the tea party is uncivil. Government is fine when it stays out of our business, when it starts stepping on the toes of the business owner that wants to expand and hire more people but can't, then it's a problem, I know first hand because I own a business that could use more employees but I will not hire more employees because of the mandates enforced on us by this president. If anyone here has been misguided, it is most definitely you.

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Eric Harding

11:30 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

@Mark: This president, as well as the one before, have destroyed our country. YOU have seen this first hand, but it is apparent that you choose to turn a blind eye to this. Where do you think the "decade of war, a decade of greed, and several decades of the citizens giving up any influence they had to corporations and uber rich individuals" came from if not our leaders? The media?? Well, they are to blame as well. America is the strongest nation, but we are faltering. We need to rid ourselves of the two party system, we need to reset and take back America as citizens. But we aren't able to do that as many blind sheep file into the polls and just flip levers of parties because that is what they have become accustomed to. The sky is dark and dreary over America, bit bright and sunny at all.

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I Am Knowledge

2:11 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Yo Mark... in Bush's last year, he spent 2.8 Trillion. Obama now spends 3.9 Trillion, and is running a 1.5 Trillion deficit. That's why many of us are Anti-Obama.

Do you have a real understanding of what these deficits mean? To much math for you? Numbers to big? Rachel Maddow says it will be OK? Start running the numbers yourself. Four more years of Obama will leave us with 22 Trillion in debt. Know how much the interest payment is on 22 Trillion each year? Know how that compares to total REVENUE of the U.S. ? Does that worry you at all? Again, too much math to care? Pelosi and Reid have it all figured out for ya?

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Jane Dough

4:20 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

She's supporting her claims with hearsay from a New York Times article, while busting the chops of Fox News and Glenn Beck. The New York Times. You know, the paper who was taken in by a fake satirical story by the Onion, and published that story, without fact checking, as truth. That supporting evidence gives no details. There is no name, no age, no address. There is no way to check the truth of the claims. Yet she's denigrating Beck, whom she's clearly never watched. 'Nuff said.

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Jane Dough

9:13 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I can tell that Mark has never been to a TEA party meeting, because if he had, he'd know they are a pretty even mix of Democrats, Libertarians, Independents and Republicans. They are also a pretty even mix of Christians, Buddhists, Free Thinkers and Lord only knows what else. I know a few Tea Partiers that I'm pretty sure are Wiccans. You see, the TEA Party isn't what the media has told you, and that lack of curiousity and investigation is beneath the dignity of a citizen of the US. The TEA Party is simply a group of people who recognize communism when they see it, and would prefer to live under the constitutional representative republic that we have. And yes, many to most of us are college educated, and we memorized all those hair splitting definitions defining what is different among communism, socialism, progressivism, dictatorship, monarchy, feudalism and every other ism you can come up with. The simple fact is, they have more in common than they have separating them.

Lower Mac Resident

9:15 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

and by the way, my next homeless feeding is next Sunday if you want to come help make lunches and gather supplies for them...we travel to different homeless camps and help them out....

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Carter Lansing

9:47 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Very well said. I don't know who they think is running this country. But the last time I checked, they were democratically elected officials who represent the people. So, therefore, we are all responsible for America's supposed decline. Drop the hyperbole. Give up on hysteria. There is not a crisis and a conspiracy behind every news article. It must be exhausting to keep that constant drum beat of fear and woe going. It is rarely ever as bad (or as good) as what you hear on the news.

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Lower Mac Resident

9:56 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Do you live under a rock or are you one of our wealthy elite that doesn't have to worry about the ever rising cost of living for all of us normal folk? When I have to pay more for my normal every day grocery items and when gas prices keep rising on a weekly basis, that certainly doesn't tell me my life is getting better.....it tells me I have to work even longer hours and add possibly a third job to my list to cover costs. I probably wouldn't mind that if I didn't have kids to feed.....

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I Am Knowledge

2:08 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

The Democrats are 85% responsible for fostering a society that rewards laziness and irresponsibility.

Salisbury Resident

11:06 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Remember:
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

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Arthur Joel Katz

11:59 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Salisbury Resident's quote, ostensibly from Thomas Jefferson, is spurious. See Monticello Website. If Salisbury Resident dispute this, I invite him to cite the work from which the quote is taken.

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Eric Harding

12:05 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

This exact quotation has not been found in any of the writings of Thomas Jefferson. It bears a very vague resemblance to Jefferson's comment in a prospectus for his translation of Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy: "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, 'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it.'"

It is a paraphrase of an actual quote Arthur.

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I Am Knowledge

2:07 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Who gives a damn who said it. It's 100% correct, and exactly where the marxist Obama wants to go. He grew up hating this country, and the white people he felt controlled it. Dare ya, read his books. Then know what he really thinks.

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Jane Dough

4:02 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Mr. Katz, if that is a paraphase and not a direct quote, here is one straight from Jefferson's first inaugural address, "Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities."

Margie Peterson

12:10 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Thank you to Mark, Arthur and others for the kind words. Mr. Bach, I described my one grandmother as a staunch Lutheran and my other as a devout and feisty pre-Vatican II Catholic to set the scene and show readers that these were very moral people -- otherwise why would my grandmother say that the only good women left in America were in that room? These women would have been happy to be described that way. Both my grandmothers were widowed young and raised their kids during the Great Depression working low-paying jobs; their faiths were huge in giving them the strength to do that. I actually thought my anecdote about them was funny but maybe you had to know my grandmothers.

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I Am Knowledge

2:05 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

So, how did they survive without big government taking care of them? Huh? Guess what? If big government was around back then, they would have been moved to government supported tenaments, given government food, government cell phone, government cable TV, government health care... and turned into lazy bums, and raised the next generation of lazy bums. Like we do today. Because of liberals like you.

Ken White

12:36 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Alarmists suck. They just do. The Becks and Hannitys of this world, indeed, most of the people over at that fort they hide in, Fox News, do nothing for us with their daily countdowns to armageddon, their invented war on Christianity and their constant longing, almost aching, to go back to some idealized America of old. They want Norman Rockwell, dammit, and so what if we have to go through some fire to get there. The fire is imagined, you see. Still, the soldiers at Fort Fox News stand trigger happy and hot in its face.

Margie's right. Most Americans plow on in good faith, aware that endgames are for the babbling heads to feed on, aware that America has survived many fools and will survive many more.

It's illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater when there really isn't one. It simply does no good and can be quite dangerous. So too is always yelling "fire" in a crowded democracy.

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I Am Knowledge

2:03 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

You;re clueless. Clueless. Tell me, After four more years of Obama, and a national debt of 22 trillion, how much will the debt service be on that debt? Tell me. Then tell me how we will pay that much debt service. Alarmists? It's started.... we are heading to Greek levels of debt. See what's happening in Greece?

Again, try actually analyzing something. Tell us all... what will the debt service payment be on 22 Trillion in debt. How will we pay it?

Clueless liberals will be the death of the country.

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Rosemary B

2:16 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

All I really want from this government is a balanced budget. It sounds so simple, yet seems impossible.

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Missy Moyer-Schneck

8:35 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Hey Ken, gas prices are NOT going up, don't let what you see at the fuel stations or on the news alarm you, it's just a figment of your imagination......

David

1:21 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Ken,
Open your eyes and take an honest look at our country. Do you really think we're on the right path?

Most of do not want our country "fundamentally transformed" into some marxist utopia. That's why we cling to "some idealized America of old"

Try getting your info from sources other than state-sponsored news organizations every once and a while.

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Margie Peterson

1:48 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Thank you Mr. Bach. I didn't go into detail about my grandmothers in the column because I wanted to get to the point quickly but also because my Patch editors want me to keep my columns to 500 words or less. That's a guideline I have enough trouble following as it is. As another writer once said, it takes me that many words just to clear my throat.

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I Am Knowledge

4:52 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Thank God you're limited to 500 words....

I Am Knowledge

1:59 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Equally tiring are the liberal rantings of people like you. You don't really have the facilites to understand what will happen to this country if we add another 6 trillion in debt. You are driven by the typical "do gooder" liberal mindset. You take great pride in occupying the "moral high ground", and throwing stones at people who bring up facts that have to be dealt with.
FACTS
1. Obama is spending 3.9 TRILLION dollars a year. In Bush's last year, he spent 2.8 TRILLION. Obama has increased spending to RECKLESS levels.
2. The number of people on food stamps has increased to a reckless level. 1 in 6 Americans getting food stamps is NOT FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE.
3, The "Great Society" of the Democrats has produced NOTHING except vastly LARGER numbers of people who rely on government support? Why? Becuase they reproduce at far greater numbers, and know they'll get more money for each new kid.
4. If you take away the responsibility of people, you promote irresponsibility. That's EXACTLY what we've gotten
5. Unions have destroyed virtually every industry... the only unions left are public sector, and now they are bankrupting the states and local governments

You liberals always live by the few stories you can dig up about somebody who has to work hard. So what. There will always be a sad story. Always. When the U.S. is spent into oblivion, there will be FAR MORE SAD STORIES.. due to people like you.

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Jim Chenault

3:00 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Dear, I Am Knowledge ,
You comments would have more credibility, if you included the source of you Knowledge .

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Jane Dough

9:35 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Jim Chenault, the truly sad thing about that comment is that as a citizen, you should know the data that I Am Knowledge presents. Much of that information is available out of government docs and other public sources. Unfortunately, public education has not done a good job of teaching math, and many people don't even have a command of much of what the above means.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym9AhMNcP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt8hTayupE

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-pennsylvania-debt-clock.html

There is, by the way, a time machine feature by which you can turn the debt clock back to specific years. Its enlightening. And of course, there are plenty of other sites out there like this one http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_debt_chart.html Accurate info can be difficult to find, as there are so many accounting tricks out there. But it is the duty of a citizen to keep digging, and not to assume that because the politicians are claiming one thing or another, that it is actually true.

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Rosemary B

2:19 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Bud Miller, not sure who your comment about giving one's full name is addressed to but I just wanted to let you know that people have harassed other people at their jobs because of comments made here. People are crazy and we all must do what we must do to keep ourselves safe.

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Bud Miller

2:26 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Hi Rosemary,

Not you. That's a sad statement on the state of civil discourse today. Some people can't have simple discussion without ranting and raving and presuming their side is the only side. I usually avoid these times of flame wars. take care.

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Bud Miller

2:50 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

I deleted it anyway, there's too much vitriol in here for me. No sense adding to it. Doubt I'll read any more political blogging. Sounds too much like TV. :-)

I Am Knowledge

2:21 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Here is some typical hypocritical liberal activity. Gun brabber who doesn't want you to have a gun, but wants to be protected by one. You liberals are all the same.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/16/brock-and-glock-armed-men-guarded-media-matters-boss-as-took-400000-gun-control/

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sqwat tingdog

7:44 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

You and Fox News are the only ones talking about guns. It hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the GOP caucuses or on the federal level. I'm not sure what a brabber is but I'm a liberal and I have a gun.

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I Am Knowledge

4:50 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

same as spelling "squatting" with a space in it.

Keith

2:29 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Damn Hippies. The 60's are over.

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Mark

2:35 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

My biggest fear is that we citizens fall into the divisive rhetoric that politicians employ to retain power. How can you have a constructive dialouge when you start with a claim that "unions have destroyed virtually every industry." Seriously? That "the great society has produced nothing except more reliabiltiy on Government support." I wonder if the millions of elderly in our nation that rely on Medicare and SSI to live a dignified life in thier golden years have the same impression of Great society programs. Since you feel that way, I wonder if you would be willing to forego your Medicare benefits? How about your Social Security? DO you actually know who "owns" our 15 trillion in debt? It's not China, They have about 1.9 trillion. Japan about 1.7 trillion, UK about 1.4 trillion,... most of the rest is owned by ......AMERICANS.
How about we find area's of agreement. 1. Reduce Defense and Intelligence Spending by at least 10% if not more. 2. Means test SSI and Medicare. 3. Eliminate all subsidies to farms, Oil and energy companies. 4. Make sure that fraud and abuse in social programs are identifed and prosecuted. 5. Break up the Big Banks and require that capital ratios return to sound banking practices. No more "free money" from the Fed. If we can at least agree on these issues, we may have a chance.

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Rosemary B

5:51 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

So, us Americans own our own debt. Sounds a bit like a Ponzi scheme to me. And they don't usually end well.

And, about Social Security and Medicare. That "payroll tax" cut that Obama is so proud of is coming from what should be going into Social Security, which is not so solvent to begin with. So when Social Security goes bankrupt we will be able to thank the Obama Administration, the Democrats and the Republicans who were so eager to compromise.

Also, I for one disagree with means testing for SS and medicare. These people paid into it they should be able to collect from it.

Walt

2:45 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Mark, unfortunately constructive dialog is a thing of the past. Just read the comments on this article and many others on Patch. Everyone is convinced that there side is 100% right and the other side is 100% wrong. That is what is truly sending this country into oblivion. When the main goal of both parties is just to disagree with the other how can anything be accomplished?? The "middle ground, common sense" people are the silent majority.

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Arthur Joel Katz

2:50 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Mr. Hardin,

My comment on the Jefferson quote being spurious because we so often find misquote and mis-attributions in political debate. Although you and I appear to have read the same source, I rather doubt that Thomas Jefferson would be making comments like that today, especially since his comment seems to be based on inherited wealth, not government action. It certainly was not a mainstay of his philosophy.

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Jimmy Pennington

2:50 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

"I AM KNOWLEDGE" is a perfect example of someone who is "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". Please, sir, you and the rest of the Tea Party should go back to the retirement home, turn on Rush Limbaugh and mutter to yourselves for eternity. Stop bothering people who are less angry and more empathetic than yourselves.

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Jeff

4:20 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I knew we could depend on a devout liberal to add some intelligence to this debate. Thanks Jimmy, your words are perfectly in line with the intelligent solutions we always see on the lib/ Democrat forums! This is the exact same reply I usually get when I ask a lib why they support the current occupant of the White House.

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Mark

5:44 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Seriously, i have never heard more vitriol and "blame" in my short 50 years. I've come to the realization that i dont understand the fundamental premise of the "Tea party." I also realize that spending time to try and understand them is fruitless. Outcomes are not important in their ideology or beliefs. Having grown up in a family of 6 children to a single mother who raised us and cared for our crippled grandmother in a two room house in the 60's all by herself taught me some valuable lessons. Charity, dedication, faith, values, determination, optimism, hope, and love. I also remember that we used food stamps to eat. I take offense to grand general statements that everyone who has used or is using the government programs is a freeloader.

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I Am Knowledge

1:13 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Another clueless lib. As long as somebody in the White House is "showing empathy" you sit on the moral high ground all smug and happy. You really have no understanding of macro economics, you have no understanding of what the deficit will do to this country in the coming year. You just sit there and think everything will be fine as long as we have lots and lots of empathy and government handout programs. I not angry. I just am INFORMED. Something you clearly are not. Now back to the Rachel Maddow show for you. I feel sorry for you.... see, I have empathy!!

Arthur Joel Katz

2:51 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

That was suppose to read: My comment on the Jefferson quote being spurious was made because. . .

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Lower Mac Resident

3:51 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Angry Jimmy? How about tired....2 jobs, two kids, bills to pay, how about tired, tired of listening to liberals telling me I have to hand over more money to help those in need, ya know, those popping out kid after kid after kid and sucking the system dry...yeah, that's what I'm tired of, I know what real work is.....apparently you do not

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I Am Knowledge

1:16 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Now, now Lower Mac.... you are sounding angry... just keep working and help support the unemployed baby factories who are churning out future government dependents and democrats. Make sure your kids get a good education, They will have to pay to support all the bums that the democrats love so much, and depend on for votes. Now back to work!!

Jane Dough

4:12 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Where to even start? Ms. Peterson, you make it very clear that you have never even watched Beck, but are only believing what others have said about him. Beck is not about a lack of compassion, but about understanding that its human nature for those in power to become tyrants and to enslave the people. The problem is not those on government programs, but with the government programs themselves, which ensnare hard working people. The problem is with the government programs that take so much out of the pockets of everyone in the form of taxes, inflation/devaluation of the currency, and regulation that makes it impossible to regulate your own finances. My neighborhood was once a neighborhood of thrifty working men who paid off these homes brand new on one income, while their wives stayed home and raised their families. It is now a neighborhood that is increasingly dominated by section 8 housing, because people can't even buy them used with two incomes. What is the difference? Regulation that has driven costs up and salaries down? Health care? The rising cost of a car? Cash for Clunkers, which crushed 750,000 good used cars, and left the poor driving 30-40 year old barn finds? Inflation that has made the money in ones pocket worth nothing? The rising cost of college tuition? I'd say it is all of the above. The government will never care as much about you and your children as you will. If you expect them to benevolently care for anyone, you are badly mislead.

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Mark

5:47 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

That pesky regulation that requires clean air, clean water and all that other liberal stuff. How dare the government force corporations to stop polluting. And that OSHA and all those stupid safety regulations like speed limits. THey are killing the job creation.

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sqwat tingdog

7:41 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

No one watches Glen Beck. They don't even let him on Fox anymore.

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sqwat tingdog

7:46 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Which regulation do you think has been most harmful to business?

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Jim Chenault

8:38 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Jayne , for lack of space here i will post one ,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNE0vHXCIUQ.. You can search Glenn Beck lies , just look at the videos of his words ,

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Jane Dough

9:43 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Mark, that pesky regulation that requires clean air, clean water and etc. did nothing to clean the air or water. It merely moved it out of sight, out of mind, along with your jobs. All of your jobs went to China, India and Indonesia where you can't see it, and where there is no regulation, but where the air is so dirty that they had to bring Beijing to a halt in order to hold the Olympics, for fear the athletes would collapse in the oxygen deprived soot they call air. You didn't do anything to improve the environment, you just foisted the problem on someone else and patted yourself on the back.

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Jane Dough

9:47 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

As for Jim, again, posts about and posts of are two different things. Why don't you try actually watching Beck instead of conspiracy theories about him? Seriously, man, your quoting Annenberg and some kook on youtube?

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Missy Moyer-Schneck

8:39 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Hey Sqwat, Glenn left FOX because FOX asked him to stop his dialog about George soros, Fox would not protect anyone on Glenn's staff from the daily threats made by Mr. Soros and his goons...that's why Glenn left, and he has done an awesome job on his own without FOX.

BethTwp

5:48 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I agree with all of the above comments by Jane Dough and I would like to add a few...if you had ever watched Glenn Beck, you would know that it is not his words but he shows actual videos of the people saying it themself, that they want to destroy this country. Unfortunately it appears you get your resources from the AP, which makes you another outlet of the main stream media who is NOT telling people the truth. YOU can close your eyes, stick your head in the sand, but the problem is still there: Our country is being destroyed from within, we have a President that took an oath to protect this country and the CONSTITUTION upon which it was founded and commits treasonous acts daily, is trying to circumvent the constitution and Congress and has stated himself that he will go around Congress to do what he feels we need. And why isn't anyone bringing this to light? Because as soon as you do, you will be labeled a racist. So everyone is sitting quiet while our country is going down the tubes. If he continues to get his way, one day we will wake up to realize our freedoms are gone and we now live in a Communist America and by then it will be too late. Once freedom is lost, it will never be regained.

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Jane Dough

8:25 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

See, Mr. Chenault, that is a fine example of exactly what everyone accuses Beck of doing. You posted that as being from Beck, but it is actually unsubstantiated claims ABOUT Beck from Politifact. If you want to make claims about Beck, how about posting something, in context, that is actually from Beck.

Beth Twp. Well said.

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Missy Moyer-Schneck

8:41 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

He can't find anything Jane, that's why he goes to the crap on youtube

Chris Miller

6:22 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

I am going to offer you a few comments. We are in a bad situation and have incompotent leadership at all levels of government and from both parties. Our congress is passing legislation that will extend the Pay Roll tax that is also known as the FICA or Social Secutiry tax so we are taking/keeping money out of the Social Security Fund. We are cutting the unemployment pay from 99 to 75 weeks. Happy about that when we all know that if we have a much shorter period people will go out and look for a job to feed themselves and their families. Then we are going to cut medicare payments to doctors. Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, FOX news, and O'Reilly are giving us their opinion/views and we can turn away from them. But they and their liberal colleagues on the other side of the issues are not to blame for this mess that has been a long time coming and it is a bi-partisian mess. So who's to blame? Well that is really easy to answer. Instead of kvetching about this we all know where the real problem is and you see it every day when you look in the mirror. You don't go to school board meetings. You don't go to township or county meetings, And don't e-mail, call, attend townhall meeitngs held by your federal representatives or visit them at their offices. You are giving them the opportunity to steal. The Tea Party is doing a heck of a lot more then those of you on the Patch blog. I was but am no longer a Tea Party member. Wake up people

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Amend Wun

6:23 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Funny how those who call themselves conservatives find it so easy to vilify the poor yet take no issue with a system that allows those with the most to avoid paying their "fair share" as jobs are exported overseas. Sure, there are some at the bottom of our income strata that milk the system, but let's not overlook the impact of those at the top who do the same; cuz it's the impact of their actions and influence that affects us the most. The poor didn't fleece this country's economy thru loose financial regulation and favorable tax structures. CritiquePresident Obama if you like, but let's not overlook the damage caused by two terms under President Bush and his crusade against Iraq. In addition, it's not like the current crop of republican candidates offer anything better. You don't have to be an Obama supporter to realize that. Mitt Romney can't decide how he really feels about anything, not to mention he's basically a corporate raider. Newt Gingrich wants to build a colony on the moon, and Rick Santorum seems bent on turning this country into a narrow-minded Christian theocracy. What do any of them offer that will have a positive effect on our economy?

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Chris Miller

6:43 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Amend
You might want to take a look at charitable contributions. I would venture that you would find that those pesky conservatives are larger doners to charities. But that is not the issue. The issue is the condition of this nation that has been sliding downhill since 1892 and the passage of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and both parties have affected the situation over the years. But again let me be specific. It is we the people who sit on our posteriors, do not vote, do not work for campaigns, do not run for office and then we have the nerve to be unhappy with the way things are going. You might want to check the Constitution and see what you role is in all of this. And that goes for all of us on this blog and in this nation.,

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Jane Dough

8:27 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Amend, you need to do some serious research. I'd suggest starting with American Progressivism: A Reader, and New Deal or Raw Deal.

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Jeff

10:24 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Funny how those who tout themselves as knowledgeable about conservatives sound very much like the talking heads on the TV screen. In your blabber about the corporate medias choices:Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum, you fail to mention the ONLY conservative running in that party.....just like the mainstream media does. Do yourself a favor, do your own research, don't repeat what you hear the talkin heads on the TV say, many of us can see way past that corporate sponsored propaganda.

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I Am Knowledge

1:20 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Liberal puppet droning on about "fair share". Top one percent of earners pay 40% of tax. Bottom 45% pay no federal tax. Bottom 10% GET money from their income taxes via credits. Who is not paying fair share...

You are all such zombies... stumbling around saying "Faaaiiiirrrrr shaaaarrrreeeee" instead of the more typical "Braaaaiiiiiinnnnnnsssssssss"

Erin T

7:11 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

The sky is falling...look around you! Unemployment numbers unbelievably high. I thought the great one was supposed to create all these jobs? Gas prices up, food prices up, borders ridiculously pourous, spending for NATIONAL SECURITY CUT, but spending for the muslim brotherhood up (you are all okay with that??), freedom of religion under attack but support and tolerance for Muslims increased, Obama forever telling the American people that we need to be patriotic and pay more taxes and give more to support the lazy members of society so they can continue to mooch off those hard working people. Ummmm, last time I checked, Obama surrounds himself with the elite because he Also is one of the elite. It's a game people. He keeps bashing them but they are the ones invited to the White House to party on our frieken dime!

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Jim Chenault

7:39 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

An uninformed mind is a terrible thing to waste .

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sqwat tingdog

7:39 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

The last time unemployment was 7.6 % in PA was 1992.I think Obama was still in his birth country in Africa then. There was a republican gov't but democrats secretly didn't let them do anything. But you're right--we weren't giving our money to the muslim brotherhood then. We didn't have "pourous" borders, whatever the heck that means. Instead of posting on Patch, why don't you go back to middle school, study something about the world in addition to English, and maybe you'll make some extra "frieken" dimes.

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Jim Chenault

9:06 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Erin , If you search Glenn Beck lies ,you will find him lying on camera , how do you deny his actual words ?

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DOCurmudgeon

9:08 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Hey, poopingdog, I think Erin just blew you away and exposed your small mind.

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sqwat tingdog

9:25 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

What shocks me is how the NASDAQ is higher right now than any other time since the year 2000 under that socialist, marxist, muslim-loving gamer. How could Wall St and investors possibly fall for this?

Amend Wun

7:11 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

@Chris Miller- i'm not sure i follow your response. what does charitable giving have to do with the state of our economy? what does it have to do with anything really? that's a personal choice. maybe you could elaborate on your point regarding the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. are you implying that monopolies run by robber-barons were somehow a good thing? further, you're statement about individual responsibility is accurate even if you're position on it regarding myself and others on this forum is presumptuous, and short sighted. it overlooks the corrosive influence of big money on our political system. i vote. i own two businesses. i volunteer for my community, but i don't have millions of dollars to spend on lobbyist to influence politicians into seeing things how i would like them to. and for the record, i'm a registered Independent.

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Chris Miller

5:18 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Charity is indeed a personal matter but you vilify the conservatives when upon investigating you would find that conservatives contribute more to charity then said liberals do. As to the Sherman Act, I believe that it set up the cozy relationship between government and businesses. TR would bring an anti-trust case against. let's say Standard Oil, He would win the case and then when he went to run for re-election his hand went out to Rockefeller and other "Robber Barons" for money to run his campaign. Rockefeller would donate because he was not about to lose it all. That would go for others in the same position. I believe the Robber Barons or Capitans of Industry as they were once called, felt that they could buy the government figures and save their businesses. I believe they lost that battle. Take a look at Wilson and the War Industry Board. Wilson was a bad president. Among other things he was the president who segragated the military. I would have, based on yous posts, suspected you to be what you indicate you are and I congratulate you on your positons.

Erin T

8:59 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

@ squatting dog LOL So right on target you Lib! You picked up on what I figured you would rather than focus on the heart of the matter! So we can move on...our porous borders need desperate attention from the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT rather than filing a frivolous lawsuit against AZ! I wish the other 56 states would join AZ!

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I Am Knowledge

3:03 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Pourous borders means thousands of future democrats, who will be living off the system and vote for iditots like Pelosi, Waters and Reid, will pour in each day. The more that come in now, the more will get amnesty in the next couple years. Also they will each squeeze out some babies to serve as their anchor. Sucking up federal dollars, state dollars, education dollars, medical dollars, all the while increasing the crime rate wherever they settle.

Amend Wun

9:11 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

@Jane Dough- thanks for the tip on the read, but I'm not sure what it has to do with my posts. If you read them closely, you'd see that I'm questioning the current republican mantra. You're agenda to educate me otherwise doesn't really provide any answers towards that end. So you hate liberals and social programs. What does that have to do with the inequitable tax structure and the religious leaning of the current conservative base?

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Jane Dough

9:56 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Ah, but you are making assumptions. I was raised liberal atheist and believed so all my life. A few years ago, I could have posted all your posts myself. But I keep an open mind and read from both sides, and low and behold, the other side had better evidence. Being open minded does not mean you quote people who claim to be open minded without thought, research or hearing the other side out. That is actually closed minded. Being open minded means hearing the evidence from both sides, and seeing who has better evidence. Which side actually footnotes their work and sends you to primary sources, and which just asks you to believe it because they said so?

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Rosemary B

8:38 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

How is the tax structure ineqitable when the richest 1% of Americans pay nearly 40% of all federal income taxes, and the richest 10% pay two-thirds of the tax?

And the richest 10% of Americans shoulder a higher share of their country's income-tax burden than do the richest 10% in every other industrialized nation, including socialist Sweden.

And when American corporations pay the highest statutory corporate tax rate of all other industrialized nations but Japan, which cuts its rate on April 1
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Also note that nearly four out of 10 American households now pay no federal income tax at all—a number that has risen every year under Mr. Obama.

Amend Wun

10:17 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

@Jane- you're confusing my posts apparently. Either that, or you're intent on making the dialogue personal. I made no assumptions about who you are or what you believe. I'm discussing what I see as the focus of the current republican base; tax cuts for the wealthy job creators, program cuts that benefit minorities and the poor, environmental deregulation, marriage protection ammendments, and reinforcing Christian beliefs to name a few. I asked how any of the current candidates would benefit the economy. You answered by suggesting I read a book that discusses none of that. I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm genuinely curious as to how conservatives could possible think any of the current republican candidates offer solutions and what they might be. Saying you hate liberal thinking isn't an answer to that question.

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Jane Dough

9:13 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Who said any of us support the current Republican candidates? Those are being forced upon us by the Progressives at the top of the party and the Media. Ick, Romney, seriously? The only way I'll vote for him is if the only other choice is Obama, and then I'll have to hold my nose to do it. He's a far left socialist liberal Democrat calling himself a Republican. If he could be convinced to run, my candidate would be Lt. Col. (ret.) Allen West. That is a man I could be proud to support. I suggested that you read those books because you don't seem to understand what Progressivism is, or what it does. You aren't following the money. You are acting out of emotion, which is exactly what the people leading those programs want you to do. None of those issues is about what you think its about. Warren Buffet is leading the charge for more taxes on the 1%, even though he has not paid his taxes in ten years, and has nearly a billion dollars outstanding. Why is he doing that? Because the tax he is advocating will be on investment interest, which means everyone who has investments will pay it. That means your IRA will shrink, and every independent retiree will be forced onto the government, as their dividend checks will shrink. It isn't a tax on the 1%, its a tax on the middle class. Warren Buffett will go right on ignoring it as he's been doing for ten years.

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Jane Dough

9:18 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Programs that supposedly support the poor really force the poor into dependency, with a tiny subsistence income, and limits on their income that force them back down into dependency whenever they try to get out, until they become discouraged and stop trying. Environmental deregulation? What exactly do you think we've done for the environment? We've forced jobs overseas into countries with absolutely no environmental regulation, where it has gotten worse, but out of your sight. You believe the environment has been cleaned up because it has been cleaned up in Emmaus, but there are far worse things being done in your name in China, India and Indonesia. Meantime, Bethlehem Steel is so long gone that you probably don't even remember it, and there is no money coming in. Have you noticed that practicing Christian beliefs publicly is almost illegal now, but you can publicly practice Islam all you want. What is that about? You can practice any religion you want in schools or in the streets, provided it isn't Christianity. Why? Have you even asked yourself those questions?

Amend Wun

10:28 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

And to clarity, I wasn't implying that you directly were saying that you hate liberal thinking. Just saying that seems to be the tone of those who dislike Obama. To me, that's not really an answer. It's more of an emotional reaction.

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Rosemary B

8:47 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

It is not that people hate liberal thinking. I, personally, hate thinking that has been proven not to work and policies that do not address our most pressing problems. Like the budget deficit and high energy prices and our lack of jobs. Newest numbers today seem to suggest that each of the 2.5 million jobs "created or saved" by the stimulus cost taxpayers nearly $300,000 each. That, to me is a very failed policy.

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Jane Dough

9:27 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Tell me, what do you think is the reason I dislike Obama?

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I Am Knowledge

1:23 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

There is no such thing as "Liberal Thinking". You have only "Liberal Parroting". The parroting of catch phrases like "fair share" while not understanding any of the underlying facts.

Amend Wun

10:38 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012

@Jeff- im guessing you're referring to Ron Paul. While he is indeed an interesting candidate (tho I feel he's a bit too lassie faire), it's the conservative base that doesn't see him as a viable candafite, not me. We can discuss his position on the issues if you like, but let's not pretend that republicans as a whole are going to elect him. That's more a reflection of their base and not the media or me.

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sqwat tingdog

7:52 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

@janedough The clean air-water-land regulations? Perhaps you're not from this area. If you were, you may remember how Palmerton was left for dead after the mining stopped. Not a tree would grow on the mt. Water was contaminated. Those regulations brought that town back to life in the past 30 years. You may also know that wells are being contaminated weekly in Bradford County. Wait til that mess has to be cleaned up.

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Jane Dough

9:32 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

What do you think China looks like? What do you think India looks like? Yes, I am from that area. I don't live there now, but I'm from there. But you aren't thinking clearly. Your lights are still on. There is still coal being mined somewhere, but very little in the USA. Where is the coal coming from to keep your lights on? You are still wearing clothes, but nearly every sewing factory in the USA, every fabric mill, every thread mill has been shut down. Where is your clothing coming from? Take a look at the tags. Now, what do you think the regulations on dumping lint, dye, and heavy metals are in that country? You are still driving a car, I presume, if you are old enough. Most of the automakers in the USA have been shut down. Where did your car come from? What do you think environmental regulations are in its country of origin? What do you think the air and water look like there? The problem isn't cleaned up. The problem is transplanted to where you can't see it, and made worse, and you since you can't see it, you are fooled into thinking it is gone. Its only gone if you think the air and water in China stays in China.

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I Am Knowledge

2:59 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Back to life? There's probabaly 7 people who have jobs in Palmerton. Dead coal town.

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truth seeker

7:34 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

@ted - Looking at a 1 year period Corbett cut funding to the EPSD. The federal spending stimulus explains part of that, however he cut more. For example, the charter school reimbursement which was a big hit for East Penn. The district did the best it could to battle these cuts as well as increased costs and dropping local revenue.

overall state sources 2010-2011 $24,588,226
overall state sources 2011-2012 $23,103,450

source East Penn School District Budget

http://www.eastpennsd.org/Administration/_docs/generalfundbudget2012.pdf

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ted.dobracki

8:10 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

@t.s. - my point below by comparing EPSD's two year state funding increase of 6% from 2009-2010 to 2011-2012 still debunks the theory by alarmists that funding in 2011-2012 is less than it was in 2008-2009, since 2011-2012 is 6% higher than 2009-2010.

I did mention in my original posting below that there was an unsustainable Federal stimulus windfall for 2010-11. another way of looking at it is that there was a 12% windfall in 2010-11, but 6% was no longer available from the Feds funneled thru the state for 2011-2012, still leaving EPSD 6% ahead of where it was two years before.

My data source is the same as yours. My analysis points out the unsustainable blip in funding from the FEDS thru the state that no one expected to continue. Bif you have any complaints in that regard, look at the Feds, not the state. The state's own contribution to EPSD has increased 6% over the last two years.

Any rational person would see that, but the alarmists don't want people to know the truth.

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truth seeker

8:53 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

It sounds to me like you are saying that people are lying about Corbett cutting state support to public education and specifically to this distrct. Your spin is to use a 2 year comparison. People who have correctly stated that the state has cut are looking at one year. I see no lying or misleading. I guess you do so we must agree to disgree. I know for a fact that it was more than fed. stimulus money. I also know that traditionally as education costs go up the state is supposed to also increase support. Special education, transportation, charter school reimbursement etc. Starting around 1970 they have been moving away from 50-50 funding with the locals and now do so around 80-20 with East Penn but they do not let up on he mandates one bit. You obviously think the district is mismanaged and I do not. You believe the state is fine with funding and I do not. Again, we must agree to disagree. I do have a bit of a problem with you talking about people misleading or lying but that is your constitutional right.

ted.dobracki

8:41 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

There is a lot of the "sky is falling" rhetoric spouted locally, too. You'd never know from these pages that EPSD enjoyed a 6% increase in state funding from 2009-2010 to 2011-2012 during a recession, despite claims to the contrary that create panic.

For the real data, see the district's budget at their website: http://www.eastpennsd.org/Budget/_docs/generalfundbudget2012.pdf .

09-10 state funding to EPSD was $21.77 million and 11-12 funding to EPSD was $23.10 million, $1.33 million or over 6% more. The year in between had even more money, but that was from unsustainable one time Federal stimulus money that was funnelled through the state as a conduit.

Unfortunately, an opposite impression has been created by statements from other sources, some official and some not. One example is the patch article titled "East Penn Could Lose $4,827,864 for Education" and subtitled "Governor’s proposed budget sets state contributions back to 2008-2009 levels." at http://emmaus.patch.com/articles/east-penn-could-lose-4827864-for-education.

Neither of these statements are true. Clearly, from the data in the budget, EPSD gained $1.3 million or 6% more state funding over the last two budget years. State support for education is EPSD has been steadily growing and the sky wasn't falling.

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Gerry Haines

8:57 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

Erin, great comment, couldn't have done better myself.

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sqwat tingdog

9:44 am on Friday, February 17, 2012

@janedough ok let's follow the money. Spell koch brothers however you want.

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Jane Dough

3:13 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Ah yes, the Koch Brothers, darlings of the liberal media. Do you know why everything is about the Koch Brothers? Because the liberal media doesn't want you to think about who the "1%" are. You see, if you actually got curious about who they are, you might do some research on the political affiliations of the "1%" and you might actually discover that most of them are Democrats. And then you might start wondering why, if they are Democrats, and the Democrats claim to want tax hikes on the "1%," those "1%" Democrats don't just voluntarily pay more without needing a law to force them to do it. You also might start wondering how all those socialists got up there in the 1%, if they are so against profits and so for the working man. Go ahead, I dare you to pull up the Forbes 400, and research party affiliation for each of them, and to whom they donate the most money. If you do, you'll understand why the liberal media is always carping on the Waltons and the Kochs: they are about the only Republicans on the list.

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I Am Knowledge

1:25 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Spell George Soros however you want.

charles hampton

2:54 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Vent your spleens, anonymous brothers and sisters! When dialog becomes diatribe, nothing worthwhile is accomplished.

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I Am Knowledge

2:57 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

I'm still waiting for ONE SINGLE LIBERAL to take the challenge... take our current deficit, add 6 TRILLION to it, which is what you will add with four more years of OBAMA, and tell us all what the debt service payment will be. Then tell us what percentage this is of ALL REVENUE the government pulls in. I've done it. I don't think any of you know how to do it, or are scared to do it. I think your ostrich head in the sand is what allows you to remain an uninformed liberal do gooder.
SO, one of you, do the calcs, report to us here how you think that Obama is doing a good job, and how we can continue.
ALSO, one of you define "fair share". You all us it constantly. 45% of tax payers pay no federal income tax, and the top 5% pay 40% of the taxes. You think they still don't pay their fair share. QUANTITATIVELY DEFINE FAIR SHARE for me.

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Jane Dough

3:16 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

The problem is that most of them have no clue how much a trillion is. The fact is, if you took 100% of what every single soul in the US has, it would not be enough to pay our debt. The only things we have that are worth that much is our land and our lives: if we give up our country and sell ourselves into slavery, we might be able to pay that debt.

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I Am Knowledge

4:47 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Right... because none of you libs wants to quantify it, make a joke out of it.

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Bud Miller

6:11 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

Oh, that's ok "I am knowledge". I can't compete with you, you're hilarious. Oh, I'm actually not a "lib" but thanks for pre-judging me. Keep the comedy coming. I'm dying over here.

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I Am Knowledge

4:47 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

It's not about the 1%. It's about the 55% who pay all the taxes fighting to keep what they earn vs. the 45% who pay NOTHING to federal taxes, and still suck up all the services.

The 1% is just there to distract you from the fact that if you work, the liberals want you to support 2 to 3 of their democratic slackers and illegals.

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Chris Miller

5:02 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

You might want to check what the wages are at WalMart in North Dakota. You might want to include WalMart's expenses for the year. Provide all the facts on an issue.

Tony

11:57 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012

I would love to hear answers then on how to pay this deficit off without cutting Medicare(wont get older Americans vote), without raising taxes(wont get anyones vote), without cutting the military and foreign aid(which is somehow un American). Cutting anything else really would make a dent at all. Now every republican and democrat president got us here. Regean raised taxes many times. Clinton raised taxes.Bush cut them. Obama has cut them so far.(except for stimulus). So its definetly not just a liberal thing anyone saying that must be very opioniated or one sided with no open mind. So now which of the main 3 republican runners will be able to wave their magic wand to some make everything perfect. ( Im not mentioning Paul because for what ever reason Republicans this time around could care less about the country and just want someone to best obama) even though Paul is the most conservative. Romneyis a liberal deep down. Evidence is in how he ran Mass. Newt has too many morale issues and also is very liberal. Santorum is BIG goovernment all day. Dictating women's rights. Forcing HIS religious beliefs on to all. He wont connect to most Americans. So where does that leave us. Lol

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ted.dobracki

8:10 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

The recently passed social security payroll tax cut extension IS a disaster and IS where the "sky is falling". It was a bad idea to start with in December 2010 when Pelosi, Reid and Obama rammed it through during the lame duck seesion, and it is now with Boehner's concurrence!

If the "160 million" working people who are getting this tax cut don't pay it, who do the politicians think will pay for SS? The unemployed? Students? Those on welfare? The disabled? Students?

Soon SS will be like the present PSERS debacle, which I warned in letters to the editor and at EPSD and other school boardsmeetings would happen, when PA did the same thing in 2001!

Tony

8:54 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

Good point. But remember there are plenty of tax cuts for the biggest companies as well that contribute to our debt. Furthermore, why do Republicans and democrats get free healthcare, bloated pensions, etc on my dime, your dime, everyones dime. The only person running that said he would take a pay cut to be president is Paul. Rest are just all the same story but hypocrites.

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I Am Knowledge

10:41 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Ya, and those tax cuts allow them ot INCREASE BUSINESS and hire more people. It is just stunning how few people understand even the most simple macro economic concepts. DUH.

Tiffany

2:59 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

I don't think this woman should have even written this article on this site. I thought this was for local news not political agendas.

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Tiffany

3:01 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012

By the way, I happen to believe the sky is falling. I am fearful for my young kids.

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Rosemary B

9:13 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Tiffany, totally agree with you. The people who don't see it are the people who refuse to look.

Missy Moyer-Schneck

8:33 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHiKUFYCjV4

Feb 5th, 2012....one month after the President said he would not enforce the NDAA

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Missy Moyer-Schneck

8:40 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Basically, the President just instituted martial law in the USA.....

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I Am Knowledge

1:28 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Exactly what the slacker bum democrats want. Martial law and a socialistic redistribution of wealth. Then we can be like Greece.

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I Am Knowledge

10:38 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

This site merely confirms the country is full of slackers who pay no Federal Income Tax, then tries to justify it. Typical liberal think tank propoganda. EVERYBODY should pay Federal Income Taxes, then maybe EVERYONE would give a damn how it's spent. THEY NEED TO PAY THEIR "FAIR SHARE".... and that isn't $0.00

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