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Assault Weapons Ban? Here’s Where Lehigh Valley Lawmakers Stand

U.S. Sen. Bob Casey has change of heart, backs ban, as does Representative-Elect Cartwright.

 

On the hot-button issue of banning semi-automatic assault weapons, one area congressman-elect has come out swinging and U.S. Sen. Bob Casey Jr. of Pennsylvania has had a change of heart.

Casey, who just won a second term, told the Philadelphia Inquirer recently that he was haunted by images from the massacre at Newtown where Adam Lanza shot and killed his mother before murdering 20 children and six adults at the Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Previously, he had opposed an assault weapons ban, but since Newtown he had decided he would support one as well as a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines.

“The power of the weapon, the number of bullets that hit each child, that was so, to me, just so chilling, it haunts me,” Casey said.

A Patch story asking Lehigh Valley readers for their opinion on an assault weapons ban drew close to 300 comments.

U.S. Representative-Elect Matt Cartwright, who will be sworn in for his first term representing the 17th District on Jan. 3, talked about his support for a ban in an op-ed piece in The Morning Call on Dec. 27.

“This kind of firepower is not necessary for hunting or self-defense,” wrote Cartwright, who fills the seat held by Rep. Tim Holden. “Our American experience has showed us example after example of assault rifles and high-capacity clips being used in mass killings of innocent people.”

Cartwright and Casey won’t have to wait long to co-sponsor legislation on a ban. Sen. Dianne Feinstein announced that she will introduce such a bill on the first day of the new session and U.S. Rep. Ed Perlmutter of Colorado and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York plan to introduce a companion bill in the House.

Without saying categorically how they would vote on such a measure, U.S. Rep. Charlie Dent, R-15, and Sen. Pat Toomey have steered clear of endorsing a ban.

Dent issued a statement saying he wants Congress to “examine all of the possible solutions” including such aspects as increased school security and training school personnel, reviewing measures to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, getting help for those who exhibit "severe emotional problems or violent tendencies" and looking at the role violent entertainment might play in such incidents. 

Dent Spokesman Shawn Millan said the congressman isn’t endorsing the NRA position of putting a police officer or armed guard in every school. But Dent wants to look at ways to enhance security in schools so they would be more protected from attacks.

Toomey’s office, which failed to respond to a request for comment, told the Morning Call that “among other things, we need to have a discussion about the best way to better identify and protect ourselves from dangerous and mentally deranged individuals who seek to carry out such atrocities.”

Several local mayors have weighed in on the issue by signing a letter from more than 750 mayors to President Barack Obama supporting laws to “get high capacity rifles and ammunition magazines off our streets” and “require every gun buyer to pass a criminal background check.”

Among the signers were Bethlehem Mayor John Callahan, Allentown Mayor Ed Pawlowski, Easton Mayor Sal Panto Jr., West Easton Mayor Gerald W. Gross, Wilson Mayor David Perruso and Emmaus Mayor Winfield Iobst.

The letter also says measures should be taken to beef up enforcement of gun laws already on the books, such as prosecuting people who are prohibiting from buying firearms who attempt to do so.

“In 2009, the Federal Bureau of Investigation referred more than 71,000 such cases to ATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives], but U.S. Attorneys ultimately prosecuted only 77 of them,” the letter said.   

Related Topics: Assault Weapons Ban, Newtown Shootings, Rep. Charlie Dent, Representative-Elect Matt Cartwright, Sen. Bob Casey, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Sen. Pat Toomey, gun control, and gun rights

Bill

6:54 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

When did we start blaming in-animate objects for the horrors of man?

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Rich Cranium

7:11 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on gun control:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKMgxuHBasI&t=24m40s

The whole episode is worth watching

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Frank Kozero Jr

8:05 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Rich Cranium, great post!... I've never watched that video prior and DID enjoy the whole concept. It was worth the 28 minutes. Rich I also agree with you. Thank you both for your comments. The government officials have no real clue as to how to properly control gun issues. It's a shame that we have put ignorant people in charge of this issue.

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Shane

9:53 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Banning certain types of weapons will not stop bad guys from doing what they do best. It definitely will not keep rifles and/or handguns from out of their reach. All a ban will do is promote black market sales. Proposing a ban is a quick fix answer from legislators to silence the scream of the public instead of examining the real nature of the problem...the scum that do this dirt. In a CQC scenario, any gun can cause the same carnage that happen in CT. People need to educate themselves as opposed to just following the herd of followers. IMO

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Tom Bennett

10:19 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Ban booze , growth of the mob . Ban drugs , proliferation of drug cartels . Black market for rifles that look like assualt weapons but are not fully automatic could provide a whole new growth opportunity for those that ignore laws . Rational thinking seems to be lacking right now .

Bud Miller

10:28 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

The closest parallel I can draw is my car and motorcycle. I need a license to operate both, they have to be registered, I have to prove I can operate them responsibly, I have to have them inspected each year so they pose no threat to other drivers. I'm not sure why reasonable, logical laws (like the assault weapons ban, the gun show loophole, failing to register being a felony not a misdemeanor as it is in Pa.) are opposed so vociferously. I don't think such laws are an impingement of a gun owners rights. Of course such a ban doesn't prevent further discussion on keeping them out of the hands of sick or violent predators; that can still be open to discussion.

As for blaming inanimate objects... we don't blame cars for DUI deaths but I can't imagine anyone thinking DUI laws are a bad idea. Such laws don't stop drunks from getting behind the wheel but they at least keep some from getting behind the wheel.

Just my 2 cents. I come from a family of deer hunters and would never advocate disarming the people; but certain things just make sense. The NRA blames societal breakdown and then argues that what makes sense is more guns that are easier to get. That position seems somewhat ludicrous to me.

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Bill

7:08 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

I agree, we don't blame cars for DUI deaths, so why blame the weapon used and ban it. You contradicted your own statement.

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Robert Atkinson

7:35 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013

There isn't a historical trend of governments banning and confiscating vehicles, before killing, enslaving, or putting them in concentration camps. Can't happen in the U.S.? What about the Japanese-American people put into internment camps during WWII? What if the Jews, homosexuals, and Gypsies had the tools to fight back against the Nazis?

Patrick

11:18 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Its not so much of what is proposed to be banned as it is being told what we as American citizens are not allowed to own. We are supposed to be the land of the free yet we have more rules and regulations than most of the rest of the world. Drugs are illegal yet how many children are killed in drug related incidents everyday. Its unfortunate that there are just bad people in this world, but what is good without bad. How would we know what good is if there wasnt bad. I am not insensitive to someone killing children, I have five of my own. If any of them were killed I would not be upset at the weapon used. Dead is dead weather assault rifle, knife, or BB gun. People are killed every day by automobiles, are they gona stop making larger vehicles because they could kill more people at a time than a small car? I have served in two branches of our military and have been to at least 15 other countries and one thing I learned early on is that the rest or the world thinks that all US citizens are heavily armed. This is why no other country will send a ground invasion to our land. We have a tough military but they fight because its their job. We all know what happens when one fights for thier family and land. Thats how we won our independance. Banning any type of weapon's will only keep them out of the hands of the law abiding citizens and posibly opening us up for war here where we live.

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Keith

11:32 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Drugs kill more people than guns and drugs ARE illegal.
While controlled as described by previous poster, cars are legal. Yet more traffic deaths happen than gun deaths. How many people drive without insurance, or licenses, or inspection? Does the laws the government makes stop vehicle deaths? The government can not control the laws it has without creating a police state in this country.
A gun ban would be like a new prohibition of our time. There is no way the government would be able to enforce it, it'd cost the American tax payer, and it'd lead to the overthrow our system. Law makers need to wake the Eff up.

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Ben

11:55 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Reality is we will never keep weapons out of criminal hands. This will only create a bigger black market for guns and they will continue to get into the US.

Does this mean we will ban fertilizer, cars, Liquor? These all kill.

Keith

11:48 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Dogs kill people with their claws and teeth. We should defang and declaw all dogs because you just can't be too safe.

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Feduplifer

12:24 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

When a dog bites its owner or another person, we put it down. Maybe we should start doing that with people who use weapons in criminal activity.

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Mike Dann

12:50 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

The assault weapons ban has nothing to do with the Connecticut shooting. This ban would not have stopped it from happening and will only make matters worse in this country. Criminals do not care about the law. Bad people exist. You can't pass a law that will fix that and knee-jerk fear mongering to get a bad bill passed is certainly not the answer. Also, people keep calling .223 a high power round, when it's not. It's almost the smallest rifle round you can buy. It's fast, accurate, and was designed to wound so that enemy armies would have to spend resources healing wounded soldiers. This whole thing is based on what guns look "Scary". People need to wake up and read some statistics.

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Robert Atkinson

7:40 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Connecticut had an "assault weapon" ban when the Sandy Hook shooting occurred. The school is supposed to be a "gun-free" zone. The Columbine shooting and North Hollywood bank shoot-out happened during the 1994 Clinton assault weapon ban. Columbine was supposed to be a "gun-free" zone. California very very very rarely issues carry permits to average citizens.

Slaphappy

4:03 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

So, MD, the .223 is a round designed for war and not hunting, sport or personal protection?

Then why the hell is it being sold to the public?

So the criminals can busy themselves with tending to their wounded? You conservatives crack me up! You are so afraid, that you don't even hear your own BS as it spews forth from your lips.

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Tony

4:49 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

can civilians own atom bombs yet? a sane civilian can own one and not use it to harm anyone unless need be.

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Bob Jones

8:45 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Precisely. How does the mere discussion of a ban on military grade assault rifles equate to a complete end to all private gun ownership??. I own a couple guns myself, but don't feel I have the "right" to own a flamethrower or an RPG. Guess I'll just have to get by with a .30-.30 when the zombie apocalypse comes.

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Tony

8:44 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

there's no where in the constitution to draw the line. technically, i should be able to own a atom bomb. I'm not insane, I won't use it to hurt people. but, like you said, if there is a zombie apocalypse, I am armed for it. I too am a responsible gun owner, but I should be able to own a atom bomb as well. right?lol

John Fox

7:24 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Actually a 223 is a varmint hunting round. A 5.56x45 is a military round.

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Robert Atkinson

7:43 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Both are essentially the same. 5.56x45mm will send the bullet out a a SLIGHTLY higher velocity, but the two are mostly identical in terms of wounding capability.

Doug McTighe

7:41 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

I think its a huge mistake to allow the government to tell you what you can and can't own.

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Armed Citizen

7:58 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Should we ban forks and spoons because people are obese? Far more people die of obesity than gun violence.

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Keith

9:23 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Hammers are designed to hit nails, so when they are used for lethal things it must make them completely useless to the "civilian" non-contractor population. Get a grip you whacko libtards! Blame the user, not the tool!
Also, an AR is not the same thing as a military weapon for you who don't even know the facts. The idea that people would be against the patriot act because its unconstitutional, but would support gun control as "the only logical step" is BEYOND ludicrous! Keep giving your rights away LIB-O's! And don't wonder why you have no protection from the monster government you people are creating! Nazi Germany 2.0. You've been warned.

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Keith

9:26 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Oh, and next we should ban cars that go faster than 55 because they are more likely to cause tickets and fatalities...by your LIBgic.

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Rosemary B

10:33 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Government wants to put black boxes in cars like they do planes so I am sure that is coming as well. All for our own good, of course.

Jason

12:41 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

I watch the youtube video above and agree completely, its worth the 28 minutes to watch the whole video. The bill, if passed would ban the future manufacture of assault weapons and any magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. It would ban weapons that are currently in production that have the potential of holding more than 10 rounds. That means that your home defense semiautomatic firearm, Glock, Sig Sauer, S&W M&P, XDM, etc all have the potential to hold more than 10 rounds, they would all be subject to the ban. The other stipulation in the bill would be to register every weapon that has been banned from manufacture, so the federal government would know who has what. Future legislation could be passed to completely ban these weapons ans since you are registered, you would have to give them up, thus significantly disarming the population and preventing the overthrow of a tyranic government, which the second amendment was written to prevent, it was written as the second amendment, because it was so important. Another aspect of the bill would be to prevent transfer of these weapons to anyone, including your spouse, children, etc. So upon your death, they would have to be forfitted to the government. So if an all out ban never came into existance, in about 50-70 years, all of these weapons would be in the hands of the government anyway, thus preventing the people from overthrowing a tyrannical government.

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JASON GABRIEL

1:55 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

"The art of diplomacy is saying, nice doggy, until you find a bigger rock". Should we the American people allow this ban to happen? My resounding answer is NO. If we do, we are allowing for a precedent to be made. From that day forward, that action will be referred to as, past practice. Please: A mentally ill man obtained an unsecured firearm and committed a series of acts that were horrific. Had he not been able to procure that unsecured firearm, he may then, in his deranged state, chosen a pointed or edged weapon. If none of those objects were available, his sick and demented mind would have gone to basic insinct: a rock. Irregardless of the type of object used to do harm, a person who means to do harm, will. This country will not benefit by banning guns of any kind.

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Patrick Herring

10:40 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Banning here meant banning assault weapons and high capacity clips. It does not mean banning guns. No one needs assault weapons, automatic rifles to take down a deer or a bear. If he does, he would have no meat to take home, nor hide to hang on his wall.

Studies had shown again and again in other countries, that limiting number of assault weapons and bullets would reduce the number of shooting incidents. No gun ban, just regulate what is available a bit better to keep the numbers down. If a deranged person uses rock to harm people, he would not be able to kill 26 people. Assault weapons allow this to happen.

We need to debate this point without any limitations and pre-conditions. The second amendment was drafted in eighteenth century, so a real revisit is needed. A smart, reasonable person should not wrap himself around this amendment and prevents a thoughtful discussion to happen.

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Robert Atkinson

7:49 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Herring: There's nothing in the 2nd Amendment about hunting, "sporting purposes," "reasonable restrictions," and certainly nothing about "conforming to global norms." Does the 1st Amendment not apply to faxed documents, telephone conversations, or the internet?

Tony

8:54 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

the government will always have more power. there's biological weapons, which public does not have and weapons of mass destruction. no number of guns would even be able to ever compete against those.

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Rosemary B

10:35 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

So I guess we just give up now and let the government do whatever they want. Like nice little sheeple. Sorry, not me.

Starship Trooper

9:10 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Tony...You and your liberal crowd need to be banned, Any idiot who wants to tear down our constitution needs to be banned..Your analogies are idiotic,Please go away.

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Tony

9:29 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

hows that joe? please explain. obviously you just want to force your agenda onto others, whereas, we are opening up discussion on the constitution. assault weapon vs. atom bomb etc. We as the American people should be able to own both ...right? You show me Mr. Smarty Pants where it says in the Constitution where it states I cannot own an atom bomb. Right wing crazies trying to take more of our rights away...just like the extreme Right Wing Mr. Bush did with the biggest largest rights removal ever....the Patriot Act.

Tony F

10:11 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

When was the last time a gun show, gun store, shooting range was the scene of a mass shooting or even a robbery? you would have to be crazy, why? there is a deterrent, all these shooting have taken place "where guns are not allowed" where's the deterrent? that is why crazies take advantage of this. I enjoy shooting my rifles, i have no intentions of going on a shooting spree, but you want to take away my hobby because of some nutcases? the only one you would hurt would be law abiding citizens like myself, the criminals don't care. those who have these rifle illegally are not going to sit in their home and say, i'd better take my low capacity magazines because my high caps are against the law to go kill people, no they will take them, they do not care about the law, but i am being punished because of it. remember our country was not ours until George Washington fought for it, do you think he had tea with the British to solve it? No, he shot them. Everyone says that only police and military should have them, why? No cops or service men have mental problems? Someone breaks into my home at 3am, i call the cops, the average response time is 17+ minutes, shall I ask the would be burglar to wait? Shall I let them rape my wife? Cops only carry guns to protect themselves, not us. How are you going to protect your family? Are you just going to lie there and have some stranger decide whether you live or die. I want a say in that, even if you do not.

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Starship Trooper

4:33 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

I believe in the Castle Doctrine. Threaten me in my home and I blow your head clean off with my semi automatic Glock. . Then call the police to drag your sorry dead ass to the morgue.
How do you liberals feel about the Castle Doctrine?

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Carl W

1:39 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Don't kid yourself. If you can't prove your life in danger, & didn't have time to call police, you're up for murder-1. That's how "us Liberals" feel about you. You would not be covered by the "Castle Doctrine." (Thank God)!!

Carl W

1:34 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

"Without saying categorically how they would vote on such a measure, U.S. Rep. Charlie Dent, R-15, and Sen. Pat Toomey have steered clear of endorsing a ban."

Remember, these two would lose serious $$$'s @ election time, if they voted for the ban, and we sure don't want that, do we? Better to have children massacred!?!

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Armed Citizen

7:52 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

"Remember, these two would lose serious $$$'s @ election time, if they voted for the ban, and we sure don't want that, do we? Better to have children massacred!?!"

You sir are an emotional wreck. Pull your panties out of your @ss crack and start behaving like a big boy. The assault weapon is a red herring in this story. Having sheeple like you in this society makes it all that much more important that rational people like me are armed and have the means to protect ourselves and helpless fools like you.

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Starship Trooper

9:25 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Carl W... If the intruder has a gun or ANY weapon thats all that is needed to prove a threat. You act as if the intruder as all the RIGHTS here !!! YOUR ANSWER INDICATES YOUR BLIND LIBERALISM ! Your statement on Dent and Toomey not voting for a ban is right on the money.With one big difference ...They are smart enough to know that a majority of thier gun toting constituents are responsible gun owners and that children wont be getting massascred as a result of upholding the 2nd amendment. They are smarter better solutions. What needs to be banned are liberals who think they know it all and will tear down our constitution at every turn.

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Rich Cranium

10:24 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

I think more importantly they know that gun owners will remember how they voted on this issue, while the non-gun owners will forget all about this in a few months.

Carl W

1:43 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

"............ I blow your head clean off with my semi automatic Glock. . - 'Then' - call the police........"

Says a lot about you, Joe. Any schools nearby???

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Rosemary B

10:39 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Yes it does say a lot about him. Says he is willing to take responsibility for saving his own life and does not need the government to do it all for him.

Tony F

9:03 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Carl W.
It must suck walking around in life, totally clueless about the issues at hand. Why would you want to disarm law abiding citizens? Do you think, under and law, the criminals are going to abide by it? You foolish, foolish man. A criminal breaks into your home, how will you defend yourself? Would you let them rape your daughter? Kill your wife? Take your life? At least with a weapon, i can at least try to defend myself, What can you do, sit there and watch and wait until the police show up, providing you were able to get to a phone in time. I care about my family to WANT to protect them, not sit idly by and let strangers make life decisions for me.

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John

9:06 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

I think the analogy presented regarding cars that go over 65 mph, and anything with alcohol over a certain percentage point hits home. Take out the politics and media hype, and place some reality into the conversation. Use facts, rather than emotion. The extremely vast majority of gun owners DO NOT shoot anyone...never have and most likely never will. Those same people who want to ban assault rifles will buy their 16 year old a Mustang GT 500 for their birthday. Or legalize pot, or drink with their kids and their friends. Let's avoid the hypocrisy! A tragedy occurred in Connecticut, while on the same day tens of thousands of assault weapon owners injured nobody. Actually, the only people benefitting from this rhetoric are the gunshops and Cabellas. Prices and sales are going through the roof. This rhetoric will occur until yet another nut job shoots yet another "Tiller the baby killer", then we can shift the focus to yet another political rhetorical blah blah, and decrease the cost of my ammo!

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Starship Trooper

9:39 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Carl W.....What my comments say about me is that I would protect my family from an invading intruder. You go onto to say where are the schools. Your thoughts /words indicate your idiotic Liberalism.And before you make comments about the Castle Doctrine understand the law you ignoramus.
Toomey and Dent won't vote for the ban because they are sensible men who understand that there are better solutions than tearing down the 2nd amendment. Many of their consituents are law abiding gun toting citizens whom they know will be violated by changing the law if they listen to liberal freaks like you who won't vote for them anyway.

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Rosemary B

10:40 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Toomey and Dent are also smart enough to let the high emotions die down before they throw any gas on the fire. Signs of good leaders.

melissa d

7:24 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Five people shot at three different gun shows across the nation today on "National Gun Appreciation Day." ... wow. There are no words... http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/19/1473881/two-people-accidentally-shot-at-a-gun-show-safety-checkpoint-on-gun-appreciation-day/?mobile=wp

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John Donches

12:27 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013

Just to let everyone know that there will be a presentation at Fire Company #1 in Emmaus on “Gun Rights” Tuesday, March 19th @ 7:30 PM. Click on the highlight to go to the Flyer and info sheet on this event. We at C.E.P.T.A. invite everyone to attend and come prepared to ask your questions.
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JD

8:19 am on Thursday, March 21, 2013

I have been a hunter for over 40 years. I don't go hunting with or allow people on my property that I deem are a danger to themselves or others. There are some people that should not be able to own guns ( the crazies). We should have an assault weapons ban. The only reason the NRA exists is to protect the rights of crazy people that want to own guns. I have never been and will never be a member of the NRA- reasonable sportsmen don't need them. Should we allow blind people to drive a car or go hunting and if not don't they have the same rights as people that can see?

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John Fox

12:27 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

Maybe you have never heard of Boar Hunting? AR-15 and AR-10 rifles are the most popular firearms used to boar hunt, especially in Texas and other Southern States where the boar population is exploding.

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Nazaretti

12:46 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

Real men hunt boar with a Bowie knife.

Jill

2:18 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

John Fox, Once again the educated school the ignorant. These gun control people have no clue what the facts are...it's all emotion and what they hear through a biased media. It's the feel good approach! No substance...all emotion! Example...their happy leader Joe Biden the idiot!

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JD

7:32 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

They don't need an AR-15 to take down a boar just like you don't need one to take down an elk or a bear. They obviously have people in Texas that cannot shoot worth a damn!

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John Fox

3:01 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

JD arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon (you) will only knock over the pieces shit all over the game board and strut around looking victorious.

So this is my final response to you:

You inferred that only crazy people own AR-15 rifles and I presented you with a legitimate use for an AR-15 (you know because target shooting, exercising my rights, and being able to defend my family are apparently crazy reasons to own one) and you just dismiss it because it doesn't fit with your thought process. Me and the other 2 million or so AR owners in the country will continue to enjoy our modern sporting rifles. At one point nearly every firearm design was a "military style" rifle, Leaver action rifles were once the "high capacity assault rifle" During the civil war a few union solders were equipped with leaver action repeating rifles and the confederates called it "the Yankee rifle that they could load on Sunday and shoot all week."

If the "cannot shoot worth a damn" argument was valid argument to not use and AR rifle for hunting (which it isn't) than I hope that you only use a single shot rifle to hunt, because if you need more than one shot, obviously you cannot shoot worth a damn. And who needs those self contained cartridges too!! You don't need anything more than a muzzle-loader.

JD

8:51 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

We should allow blind people and people with down's syndrome to hunt and drive.

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Rich Cranium

9:13 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Wow John was right, pigeon playing chess.

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